hurricane katrina

[slam]

how you holding up down there, soulqueen and 007?

[poofdogg]

yeah hope it doesn't blow you away. i have this sneaking suspicion that my flight in tomorrow nite will be cancelled. damn it!!

[Soul Queen]

Its getting ready to be serious shortly.

Those dirt bags at work made us stay until 5. There are some people who live in Fort Lauderdale. Where the eye is hitting.

I'm pretty pissed. Glad I got home before the really shitty rain hits. Its picking up. Probably will be shutting all contact down in about an hour. No need to blow up the computer with crappy power surges.

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[007]

Eye is landing.

I went out & bought supplies :

18 Pk. Coors
4 Pk. Boddington's
6 Pk. Cider

What more could I need?

[poofdogg]

a handle of jim beam!!!

[007]

Damn, I forgot the Whiskey!

[larryhead]

Erff.. that sucks bad. Are you guys boarding up your place? Make sure you have plenty of flashlights and radios around. And a couple of Gameboys might help too.

[007]

Gameboys are a great idea! I wish I had one...

Not boarding (it would be difficult). But we do have plenty of supplies bought early in the season.

[007]

WOW!
Survivor Update :

That was incredible. You people have never seen anything like that. Windows seriously rattling.

Sustained wind : 80 M.P.H.
Wind Gusts : Upwards of 100 M.P.H.
Rain : App. 15" in four hours

Large trees blown down in the backyard. Backyard was flooded for most of the night. Parking lot had water up to the bumpers on some cars. Just amazing.

Supplies worked great. Just get canned, and you will sleep right through a hurricane (that was Meta's plan anyway).

:rain: :scared:

[slam]

nice. i think you got more rain in 4 hours than we've gotten all year. we were in a drought for so long that i noticed the other day that some of the grass needs to be cut... for the first time this year!

hope you have a happy hungover day!

[Soul Queen]

I slept forever. Passing out is the best way to deal with a hurricane.

Just chillin for the rest of the day. Thankfully we have power!!!

[larryhead]

Glad to hear you guys survived OK. I'd probably just drink until I passed out and hopefully wake up when it's over with. :D


So have you guys reconsidered moving out of FL?
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[Soul Queen]

Glad to hear you guys survived OK. I'd probably just drink until I passed out and hopefully wake up when it's over with. :D


So have you guys reconsidered moving out of FL?
:hide:

We survived the storm power and everything. Then yesterday at Noon, we lost our cable. What the hell?? It finally came back on.

We are considering moving out of Florida. But it is not because of the storms. Everywhere you live there is some sort of disaster waiting for you. It could be tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, ice storms, you name it. But moving would not be for another year or so.

People live through these storms all the time. As long as you are prepared, you should be fine. Its the idiots of the world that usually get it. The sightseers. Duh, it seems obvious that you shouldn't leave your house to check out the middle of a hurricane. People do it all the time. Thats when they get pelted with trees, sand, shingles, electricuted.

Its the waiting that is the worst. But all you can do is drink and pass out.

[andikay]

Glad you guys survived! Sounds a bit scary...

Alcohol always helps in situations like that, I would think.

[larryhead]

Did you guys get any flooding down there? Some pretty fucked up pics coming out of the Louisiana & Alabama area. :(

[007]

There was localized flooding (parking lot, yard...) but nothing of the magnitude they got up north. I feel sorry for those people.

[zero2056]

Glad to hear you guys survived OK. I'd probably just drink until I passed out and hopefully wake up when it's over with. :D


So have you guys reconsidered moving out of FL?
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We survived the storm power and everything. Then yesterday at Noon, we lost our cable. What the hell?? It finally came back on.

We are considering moving out of Florida. But it is not because of the storms. Everywhere you live there is some sort of disaster waiting for you. It could be tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, ice storms, you name it. But moving would not be for another year or so.

People live through these storms all the time. As long as you are prepared, you should be fine. Its the idiots of the world that usually get it. The sightseers. Duh, it seems obvious that you shouldn't leave your house to check out the middle of a hurricane. People do it all the time. Thats when they get pelted with trees, sand, shingles, electricuted.

Its the waiting that is the worst. But all you can do is drink and pass out.

Movin'? Por que? Donde?

[007]

Movin'? Por que? Donde?


I'll get back to you here in about 9 months.

[slam]

9 months?

is there something you and SQ need to tell us?

[007]

9 months?

is there something you and SQ need to tell us?

God, No!
What, Are you trying to curse me Slam?

[larryhead]

9 months?

is there something you and SQ need to tell us?

lol :thumbsup:

[matty]

Now that I think about it, SQ was lookin' a bit rotund last time I saw her...just kidding. As if SQ could break the 80-pound barrier.

You can get about $75,000 for a healthy white baby if you know where to go. Call me.

[slam]

wtf is going on? residents are shooting at hospitals trying to evacuate patients... there is absolute no communication between police and other rescue organizations... we can't even get people out of the fucking superdome?!

HOW can this kind of insanity last this long? yeah, i know the situation is terrible, but we're the fucking United States of America. we can knock out an entire army on the other side of the world in a matter of hours, yet we can't evacuate one of our own cities over the course of 4 days?

maybe the fact that 60% of the louisiana national guard is in IRAQ right now might have something to do with it. wouldn't it be nice if we had that national guard here to protect our nation, like the name implies? maybe we could be air dropping rations on the residents there if our air force wasn't on the other side of the planet. maybe they could have built those levies up like FEMA wanted to 10 years ago if Bushie hadn't pulled the funding for the project so that we could go to war and cut taxes.

holy crap i'm pissed. the residents of NO are living in a goddamn zoo right now, and it doesn't look like that's changing any time real soon.

[Talking Sandwich]

Ya seriously . . this quickly turned into one of the worst disasters we're gonna see in our lifetime. And unlike 9/11 . . people aren't really coming together . .

This country literally makes no sense to me.

[Diamond Vision]

...well...

...9/11 mostly threatened white people...

[slam]

yeah, can you imagine 15,000 white people living in their own filth for days on national tv? shit, air force one would be there personally lifting them out.

[Diamond Vision]

Yesterday I saw P-diddy Bush on the boob-tube...

he could hardly keep that smug smirk off his face while making his statement...

it's funny a pres. can get impeached over a b/j from a fat chick but when you endanger 10s of thousands of amercan lives, it's A-OK!

Actually it seems like things are FINALLY getting done down there... instead of reporting the devestation they're talking about results in relief.

Too bad this didn't happen a year and a half ago... this would have been taken care of much more quickly or we wouldn't have to worry about a shrubs around the white house for quite some time.

[Diamond Vision]

...I don't want no shrub,
A shrub is a man who can't get no love from me...

[JVO]

Like Slam, I am so irriated right now I don't know what to do. I think the major thing this catastrophy has illustrated is how bad morale is in inner cities. I agree with Slam that if this was 15,000 white people they would be evacuated by now, but I must also say that if this was 15,000 white people there would not be rapes and murders and people shooting at rescue personnel. If I was the Pres. at the first indication of gun fire, I would have dropped 10,000 paratroopers into NO with orders to shoot anyone causing mischief. A vast majority of the people want order and want to leave, but the small gangs are making this impossible. Only after we ellimate this threat can we safely evacuate people. Local reports say that rescue personnel from our area were rescuing up to 150 people an hour, but once they started getting shot at, they were ordered to stop (rightly so!) Law enforcement officials are completely outmanned and are currently in a position where all they can do is defend their stations. News crews out covering the story are being shot at and forced to leave (at least there is one silver lining). We have lost total control, and I don't buy that the reason is because of the conditions. The reason is because there is no law enforcement to hold these rabid gangs in check. Certainly conditions are horrible, but that is not the reason why there is violence going on. People are being violent because they know they can be, and probably for the first time in many of their lives they are in a position of power. Despite all of the destruction associated with the Tsunami, there were no reports of looting or violence. Many of the tourists reported that the people who lived in these areas took special care of the tourists who had no place to stay and no idea what is going on. In NO we are seeing the opposite, tourists (many of whom are white) are actively being sought to rob, rape, and kill. White reporters are no longer able to go to many of the most desperate locations, because of fear of bodily harm. We should already have armed personnel roaming the streets and taking care of the problem. Nothing, and I mean nothing, makes me more sad, then American military personnel shooting at American citizens, but at this point that is the only way this problem is going to be rectified. These gutless thugs will fold as soon as there is any type of opposition. They will disappear into the crowds and we will never know who they are. I can live with this so long as it means that we can start getting people out. WHY HASN'T THIS HAPPENED YET? If it is so easy for the media to get in and out of NO it can't be that difficult to get other people in and out. Also where are the National Black Leaders of American? Why isn't Jessie Jackson down there trying to settle the situation? Where is Farakan? or Sharpton? They are safe at home because they are as scared at the white people to do down there. That is why the military is needed. Also the reason why the 2nd Amendment is charished by so many (not including me) is because of the exact situation. If any of us where visiting NO and found ourselves stuck down there, we would be in incredible danger. The women amongs us would be fighting off gangs of men wishing only to gang rape them. The white men amoung us would be in danger of being robbed and killed while trying to protect our loved ones and our property. I guarantee you, if I was there, I would either have a gun right now, or I would be dead. The thought of a gang destroying my family and loved ones, while I helplessly watch, is completely unthinkable. We must have a way to protect ourselves, in situations where law enforcement is unable to so. Ooops Boss is here, must refrain from further ramblings.

[hotfoot]

I agree with Slam that if this was 15,000 white people they would be evacuated by now, but I must also say that if this was 15,000 white people there would not be rapes and murders and people shooting at rescue personnel.

Are you serious?

[JVO]

Indeed! I am not saying that entire blame falls on these crazed, homeless, drug addict, thugs (who represent a small minority of the total people affected). The greater problem is how these people became so disillusioned and hopeless in the first place. We have a major problem with our inner cities and with the feelings of hopelessness that you can find there. These people are poor, poorly educated and are in a situation where they have nothing to lose. I don't think the problem is race, I think it is poverty. We are all afraid to tackle this issue because it is so sad and hopeless, but this is the true trajedy of this situation. The hurricane is only what set it off. The property can be rebuilt, but until we confront the greater issues with our poor the lesson will remain unlearned. This is more important to me than all of the other issues involved (in which there are many). What do you think Hot Foot? I would be interested in your take if you disagree.

[hotfoot]

if you think it's a class problem, then why the comment regarding 15,000 whites not acting in the same way as 15,000 blacks?

[Soul Queen]

Hmmm. A big rant on race. Have any of you guys read Two Nations Black White Separate, Hostile Unequal by Andrew Hacker?

It addresses the issues of poverty in African American communities. Alot of it has to do with the social structures that we have set-up in our society. Education, employment opportunties, even where people live in America affects how our society behaves. When you set-up a portion of the population to fail, (where you live in complete poverty, you have family in prison, there are no employment opportunities) there is going to be a completely different mentalility in that individual.

In the crimes that we are seeing its a matter of struggle for power. Robbery, rape, these are crimes about power and humiliation.

Maybe we wouldn't have such problems if we actually take care of EVERYONE in America. Not just leave 50,000 people in a disaster area for days without hope. These people are cut off from communication. I am sure to some it seems that America has given them the big FUCK YOU and reacting in consequence. Not that is an excuse.

It really pisses me off reading the news and seeing the news. These people don't know where there family are. Some are living on the highways. I am outraged. Why aren't we doing more. Where are these people going to go? Where will they live? How can we help?

We need to quit boo hooing the situation and get the move on! Help now! The question is what are you doing? Wouldn't you want someone to help you if you were in that situation? Its times like this that I feel helpless that really all I can provide is monetary help.

I went through the Flood of 93 and it was nothing compared to Katrina, but all sorts of people helped my family. Not just people we knew either.

Its the same for our society. HELP NOW. We have to set all people up to be able to help themselves and provide an environment in which they want to help others, not lash out and take advantage of whatever opportunity is thrown their way. Provide education, quit alienating a portion of our society, quit sending them off to die in another country.

I'm sure its not just black people who are committing those crimes. Its all the crazies with the guns that always scare me. Its one thing to protect yourself, but its a fine line before people overreact and shoot each other. I'm sure that in New Orleans that there are not prejudice white people out there shooting black people. (sarcasm)

Well I guess thats all I got to say.







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[zero2056]

if you think it's a class problem, then why the comment regarding 15,000 whites not acting in the same way as 15,000 blacks?

It is a class problem (class not equal to race)... the poorest of the poor living in New Orleans just happen to be black in this instance. The majority in New Orleans are black's, including the local government and people WITH money. This is just a city primarily composed of blacks.... so every time they show the crowd... guess what... its fucking made up of black people... what should we do... import some asians/whites/latinos to toss in the mix so that its fucking PC for the country (CNN would do that, but if it would make their story better)!!!! Every once in a while you see one random Crackah' runnin' around in there, but nobody's fucking with them.... because most of them are just trying to survive! The media is to blame for most of this race shit, IMO (sensationalist little bastards... putting race at the forefront and all the other shit that we just cant seem to get away from and move past). I think as a nation, we should bribe the "thugs" roaming the streets to actively search out and destroy these news crews.... hell we gotta couple tech geeks on here... start up a site.. I'll make the first donation ;) I think its even worse, when you see a perfectly make-up'd, full business suit, nicely pressed, white media bitch standing in the middle of the destruction chattin' about the destruction and how help isn't coming right in front of the people (then takes a giant swig from her iced down Evian water in front of the throng of dehydrated people)... please.... somebody drag that annoying Cunt **edit: apparently you can't post the word "C*nt"** over to the edge of the highway and toss her off the overpass.

I haven't watched much on it all week, but watched the tube last night for awhile and its really quite amazing when you think its what.. about 600-700 miles south of me.

Every time I see Bush on the TV during this thing, he just looks like a huge giant Texas Style Prick. Please, oh please, let this keep the next term out of the hands of Republicans... unless of course its Hilary, in which case anybody is better than satan him (she may in fact have a cock)/herself. Raise my fucking taxes, cut some of the fucking government bloat, divert the combined effect of both of those to preventing DOMESTIC problems such as this from happening in the first place (preparedness... people not having enough money to get out of town because they don't have personal transportation... not mother nature herself.... she's nobody's bitch). OH yea... and keep the fucking Billy Bob's in this country from flying off to conduct pointless wars in remote areas of the world!! I don't fucking care.... I care more about getting our economy back on track (AND then using that money for us rather than propping up Israel or whatever flavor of the month cause we have) so we don't get entirely swallowed by China and Southeast Asia by 2050.

What I think needs some serious attention is the recent run up on oil and what not.... the production of oil (crude.. not refined) has not been limited in such a way that would encourage a run up of a barrel by $30-40 over the past 2 years... what the fuck is going on?? Isn't it odd that a family made rich by oil, who's VP and whatever the fuck position Condoleeza Rice is all have a hand in the petro pot... and it just keeps ticking upwards. Current gas run ups... yea... that makes sense in an econ 101 sort of way..... our refineries are friggin w/o power... limited new supply... same voracious demand. But, the price was already elevated due to this what-the-fuck run up on Oil.

Time to Bend the Exxon/Shell/Amoco/GM/Ford/Chrysler (insert your favorite asshole) exec over the gov'ts knee, and release the technology that they have snatched up and not let hit the market in order to protect their Oligopoly.

I want my Hydrogen Car by 2007 Bitches!! What?? You mean a mode of transportation who's only byproduct would be potable water is a bad thing?!?!

As punishment, I think that Bush should be publicly sodomized on National TV by the Mayor of New Orleans using Dick Cheney's Cock. Way to fuck it up, pardnah'.

[meatball]

Edit: when I wrote this I didn't see the 3rd page of all the replies yet, so what I have to say is kind of a late response.

Correct me if I'm wrong JVO, but Hotfoot I don't think he/she? meant it that way. I know this might be obvious but I think it depends more on what class of people more than skin color, and of course in a situation like that the poor people cannot evacuate, and in this case (and in most cases in US cities) the poorer people are not the white ones. BUT, no one here can predict what us whities would do if we got put in a situation like that...in all likelyhood we'd freak out too. Many people are quoting from that area "people are just not acting like themselves"...and that goes for everyone.

[JVO]

SQ: It is so funny you mentioned Andrew Hacker. When I was in college I was a member of a debating society. One meeting we had Andrew Hacker and another guy (for the life of me I can't remember his name or the name of his book...I will try to do some research and get that info). The topic was race relations and wellfare. The guy who debated him (I remember he was a black professor from Harvard) wrote a book where he interviewed a number of upper class wealthy black people and asked them how they became successful. This list included Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey and Clarence Thomas, plus many more that I can't remember. What he found was that among wealthy and successful African Americans, there is a real hatred towards the wellfare state in the United States (this explains why many wealthy AA are Republicans). Almost all of the people interviewed for the book said that despite horrific poverty, their families refused to take any kind of hand out (their words not mine) from the government and did not associate themselves with families that did. They believed that there is no greater negative impact on Black Communities than government subsidies to help the poor. Many of the black leaders said that the reason why drugs are such a problem in poor communities is because many inhabitants do not work because they would stop getting assistance. This led to free time which led to drugs and pregnancy and all of the other ills associated with the inner cities. I remember after this book was written (and before the debate I saw) there a was a huge uproar from the black community against these successful people who had risen above their horrible circumstances. I remember I thought a majority of what he said was hogwash, but it made for an awesome debate. We also had a debate on the Gender wage gap involving two of our professors. That was very interesting too. The Gender Wage gap is hogwash also.

[Talking Sandwich]

Edit: when I wrote this I didn't see the 3rd page of all the replies yet, so what I have to say is kind of a late response.

Correct me if I'm wrong JVO, but Hotfoot I don't think he/she? meant it that way. I know this might be obvious but I think it depends more on what class of people more than skin color, and of course in a situation like that the poor people cannot evacuate, and in this case (and in most cases in US cities) the poorer people are not the white ones. BUT, no one here can predict what us whities would do if we got put in a situation like that...in all likelyhood we'd freak out too. Many people are quoting from that area "people are just not acting like themselves"...and that goes for everyone.



I tell you one thing. . us Indian Dominicans would be running a muck. . . in fact i think im gonna go set a car on fire right now!!

WOO HOOO!

[JVO]

I wish McCain wasn't such a damn hawk cause I really like the guy.

Great story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080424/pl_bloomberg/a1krq5x3pni_1

[Soul Queen]

He's trying to draw people away from his crappy economic plan. Playing the "I care about people" card.

[JVO]

He's trying to draw people away from his crappy economic plan. Playing the "I care about people" card.

True, but in doing so he is sending out a clear declaration that he is not George W. Bush, he has never been George W. Bush, and he never will be George W. Bush. He is showing that he isn't afraid to attack his own party. Sen. McCain is in this weird sort of position where he can attack the President with really no harm. No Republicans are running against him, and the Democrats are so busy fighting among themselves they can't do crap either. This isn't going to do anything to help him with Republicans, but it will help him with Independants, Lations, and the Elderly. I also think it is nice to see a Republican court inpoverish minority voters. Nobody has done that since Reagan.

Also when it comes to suffering, I doubt there are many people in the world who have as much empathy as John McCain.

[larryhead]

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