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Going to see them in concert tomorrow in the StL. I saw C,S & N about 10 years ago, and it was one of the best concerts I have seen. Saw Neil Young a couple years ago and it was one of the most bizarre concerts I have seen. So you combine best and bizarre and I am expecting a great show.
i thought this was going to be something about a sesame street song...
andikay
09-06-2006, 11:24 PM
That should be a very interesting show, especially since they're all ancient and half-crazy now.
duckplucker
09-07-2006, 03:33 AM
neil young can still rock!!
he's still got it!!
if stephen stills is even a shadow of his old self, it should be one of the all time great musical experiences of your life.
I have done a little research and apperantly Neil Young has a new album that is entirely made of songs asking Congress to impeach Pres. Bush. I guess they will perform the entire album in concert. That ought to be interesting.
Something else I found out is that Kurt Cobain quoted "hey, hey, my, my" and "Heart of Gold" in his suicide note. I guess the two were very very close and that Neil Young actually spent a lot of time with Nirvana while they were recording their first album. Also one of the aliases that Young uses when he ghost writes for people is "Shady Deal". I don't know why, but I think that is hilarious.
Further research required.
JVO - Zero :
What's the verdict on the show?
The show was pretty good, but was also a bit disappointing. For one thing they didn't play Suite: Judy Blue Eyes which I totally don't understand. They also seem to rely on David Crosby and Graham Nash a little too much. Most of the original CSN songs that they played were either Crosby or Nash. Not a lot of Stills, who in my opinion is the best of the three. Also because of Neil Young performing all of his songs from his new protest album (I will get to that later) he did not have time to perform any of his great solo stuff. (Would Southern Man have killed ya? Throw us a bone! Cinnamon Girl maybe?!?!) The musicianship and harmonies are still incredible. All four dudes were really rocking out the entire time. And watching Neil Young and Stephen Stills jamming out together was well worth the price of admission. They did play a couple of my favorites like Carry On, For What It’s Worth, and Southern Cross, but there were a few songs that they did not play. For example I still can't understand how they don't play Suite: Judy Blue Eyes or Woodstock. Wassup with that? Also there was no encore. I thought maybe they would play those two songs as their encore, but once they left the stage they never came back. I have never been to a concert like that were there was no encore.
This brings me to Neil Young's protest album.
I really liked all of the songs that he played, and he really did a good job of incorporating CSN into the songs. Stills played lead guitar and Crosby did his usual bellowing. All of the songs were very classic style Neil Young with references to his sister, the grocery store, and his dog Earl. Pretty much what you would expect from Young. The last song of his set was a song entitled "Impeach the President". Instead of the tv screens showing the band, they actually put the lyrics up on the screen with background images of American soldiers dying and being put into caskets. Now when the song started I was in the pisser and there was almost universal bitching among my fellow pissers. Apparently people were not all that happy with a drugged out hippy, vagabond Canadian, telling us what we should do with our government. I can say that nearly every person I saw was bitching about the song. Then as I returned to my seat there was a mass exodus of people leaving their seats to get away from the song. People were really, really offended by Neil Young’s presumption and about the fact that we were all forced to listen to his propaganda. When the song was over, I would say that 50% of the people either did not clap or actually booed. (For the record I was drunk, so I just kept yelling, Hang Bush, Hang Bush, Hang Bush) The rest of the concert had a very strange feel to it. It seemed like some people left and the people who remained became somewhat disinterested with the remainder of the show. I don't know what the response to this song has been in other places, but clearly the people of St. Louis found it to be distasteful. I think that may be why there were no encores, but I have to think that our reaction had to be very similar to reactions they would get in the rest of the country. After all, St. Louis is a notoriously liberal city. It wasn't so much that people disagreed with his notion, more that they were upset that this "rock star" had any right to preach to us about politics.
(Time for lunch) I still have more to say, but I will have to wait until after lunch.
Soul Queen
09-08-2006, 05:52 PM
Hmm that sounds interesting.
maybe its just Missouri Fans. the last few shows I saw in Missouri I thought the crowds acted very bizarre.
how about that Air show where 10 people stood up and enjoyed the show.
Neil Young is old enough to play whatever the hell he wants. Guess that was his philosophy.
I liked the last Neil Young Concert I attened. (which was in St. Louis) I thought it was great. The theatre feel was pretty cool. Of course you have to enjoy that sort of thing. I don't think the crowd was into it then either.
Soul Queen
09-08-2006, 05:54 PM
But then why attend the show? You know thats the type of show Neil Young puts on?
hmmm.
Neil Young is old enough to play whatever the hell he wants. Guess that was his philosophy.
I liked the last Neil Young Concert I attened. (which was in St. Louis) I thought it was great. The theatre feel was pretty cool. Of course you have to enjoy that sort of thing. I don't think the crowd was into it then either.
I really enjoyed that Neil Young show also. (Still can't convince Zero of it's merits). I think Matty has stated that it was his all time favorite concert.
And certainly Neil Young (and any artist) has the right to play whatever they want, but the crowd also has the right to boo or get up and leave if they want to. After all it is the fans who are shelling out the $40 to see the show. I doubt that the Missouri fans had anything to do with it. Again St. Louis is very liberal and most of the people we saw were 40+ year old hippies, I mean the exact people that you would expect to see at the show all over the country. There was the expected amount of pot smoking, hacky sack, and topless dancing girls (that's always my favorite part!) It wasn't like the Republican party somehow inflatrated the concert.
Soul Queen
09-08-2006, 06:50 PM
No offense, but I think that its a midwest thing. (I will do further research for this when I check out shows in the San Fran area in the future).
No one wants to get up and dance at the shows, the crowd barely cheers sometimes, sometimes people wont stand up at all.
Every show I have been to here in the south, the crowds have really been into every single show, no matter what the music or what the subject matter is like. Its nice to be in a culture where people aren't afraid to dance. Everyone dances. Grandpa Julio dances, Everyone dances and cheers!
Thats the way life should be.
Its like midwesterners have turned into dried up old prunes. Even the kids. The younger generation doesn't hardly even know how to dance. Or to express themselves in a postive manner at the shows.
Where is the joy? Where's the ass shaking?
Lori Burger
09-08-2006, 06:52 PM
No offense, but I think that its a midwest thing. (I will do further research for this when I check out shows in the San Fran area in the future).
No one wants to get up and dance at the shows, the crowd barely cheers sometimes, sometimes people wont stand up at all.
Every show I have been to here in the south, the crowds have really been into every single show, no matter what the music or what the subject matter is like. Its nice to be in a culture where people aren't afraid to dance. Everyone dances. Grandpa Julio dances, Everyone dances and cheers!
Thats the way life should be.
Its like midwesterners have turned into dried up old prunes. Even the kids. The younger generation doesn't hardly even know how to dance. Or to express themselves in a postive manner at the shows.
Where is the joy? Where's the ass shaking?
To add data to your theory, Soul Queen, I've seen quite a bit of ass shaking in my day here in Bmore :)
duckplucker
09-08-2006, 07:07 PM
right now, most of the flock is very programmed to be pro-war.
its not surprising to me that an anti-bush song recieved a negative reaction.
never underestimate the stupidity of the average person.
most people just drink beer and watch tv.
they are too stupid mostly to understand things like gov't policy.
neil young is right, of course.
No offense, but I think that its a midwest thing. (I will do further research for this when I check out shows in the San Fran area in the future).
No one wants to get up and dance at the shows, the crowd barely cheers sometimes, sometimes people wont stand up at all.
Every show I have been to here in the south, the crowds have really been into every single show, no matter what the music or what the subject matter is like. Its nice to be in a culture where people aren't afraid to dance. Everyone dances. Grandpa Julio dances, Everyone dances and cheers!
Thats the way life should be.
Its like midwesterners have turned into dried up old prunes. Even the kids. The younger generation doesn't hardly even know how to dance. Or to express themselves in a postive manner at the shows.
Where is the joy? Where's the ass shaking?
I agree that midwesterns are very mellow in comparison to the east coast and the West. I don't know if you remember our trip to Colorado, but people out there are some partying sum bitches. There sports fans are also much louder and more involved in the game. East coast people are definitely much more intense than midwesterns also. That is why it surprised me that people booed Neil Young. I don't know it just seemed kinda rude for the MidWest. I could definitely see east coasters getting all crazy like, but not the relaxed midwesterners.
right now, most of the flock is very programmed to be pro-war.
its not surprising to me that an anti-bush song recieved a negative reaction.
never underestimate the stupidity of the average person.
most people just drink beer and watch tv.
they are too stupid mostly to understand things like gov't policy.
neil young is right, of course.
I am sure 90% of the people agreed with what Neil Young was saying (after all they bought tickets to see CSNY in concert). They weren't booing because they disagreed with him, they were booing because they don't give a shit what he thinks, he's not even American, and his political bull shit was taking time away from sweet Stephen Stills guitar action.
BTW, according to the polls, America has not been pro war for over a year.
Lori Burger
09-08-2006, 07:36 PM
I agree that midwesterns are very mellow in comparison to the east coast and the West. I don't if you remember our trip to Colorado, but people out there are some partying sum bitches. There sports fans are also much louder and more involved in the game. East coast people are definitely much more intense than midwesterns also. That is why it surprised me that people booed Neil Young. I don't know it just seemed kinda rude for the MidWest. I could definitely see east coasters getting all crazy like, but not the relaxed midwesterners.
JVO! From what I recall your saying, you used to BE one of use east coasters! What are you trying to say?! ;) Just kidding; Im aware of the stereotype of people from the east coast being more...abrupt (although, of course, it doesn't apply to me one bit ;)). In any case, we are all blue states over here, and I'll bet the anti-Bush anti-war stuff would have gone over more favorably either here or on the west coast as opposed to the mostly-red midwest, even if St. Louis itself is liberal. I know I've travelled as many as 2-4 hours to see concerts, so I'll bet the crowd pulls from many surrounding areas.
JVO! From what I recall your saying, you used to BE one of use east coasters! What are you trying to say?! ;) Just kidding; Im aware of the stereotype of people from the east coast being more...abrupt (although, of course, it doesn't apply to me one bit ;)). In any case, we are all blue states over here, and I'll bet the anti-Bush anti-war stuff would have gone over more favorably either here or on the west coast as opposed to the mostly-red midwest, even if St. Louis itself is liberal. I know I've travelled as many as 2-4 hours to see concerts, so I'll bet the crowd pulls from many surrounding areas.
True!
I honestly don't know what I consider myself. I feel very fortunate that I have lived in really every region of the country for a significant period of time. I think it helps when thinking about people's political motivations to actually understand where they live. In my heart I will probably always be a Coloradan. I will always long for the mountains, and I think I fit in best with people from Colorado (which makes sense, since I grew up there!). People out east are too rude for me and they seem to always be filled with stress!!!!!!! I remember when I moved to DC (I was 15) I went around for about a year totally feeling like a rube. 007 & SQ do you feel that way? People in the MidWest seem to be pretty negative. For some reason insulting people seems to be a critical part of any relationship, and people never like anything that is different from them. For example if you ask the people in Fayette what they think of people from Glasgow all they do is talk shit. And Vice Versa. If you ask a Slater person what they think about a Marshall person same thing. Really all of the towns are equally shitty, but for some reason people who live in a specific town think that all of the other towns suck and that somehow their town is the best of all. I never really understood that. I really like CoMo though. It is probably the best city I have ever lived in.
Ag Au
09-08-2006, 08:58 PM
what is up with this prevailing attitude that st. louis is a liberal town? i've never known it to be such. i always thought of it as a large conservative catholic stronghold. anyone feelin me here?
sure, i have a lot of friends there that are fairly liberal, but most of their families aren't.
just thought i'd throw this in - i'm glad the concert went well though jvo.
what is up with this prevailing attitude that st. louis is a liberal town? i've never known it to be such. i always thought of it as a large conservative catholic stronghold. anyone feelin me here?
sure, i have a lot of friends there that are fairly liberal, but most of their families aren't.
just thought i'd throw this in - i'm glad the concert went well though jvo.
Thanks.
St. Louis is one of the most liberal cities in the United States. The last 9 mayors (since 1949) have been democrats. 51% of the population is African American and 79% of the registered voters are Democrats. (thanks wikipedia) That is the only reason why Missouri is always a "battleground state" during Presidential elections. Like the rest of the midwest, rural Missouri is very conservative. If it weren't for St. Louis & Kansas City, Missouri would only elect Republicans. But because St. Louis is so incredibly liberal it tends to balance things out. That is also why they always have so many voter registration problems in St. Louis during elections, both the Republican and Democratic party send a million lawyers down there to try to screw things up/make things fair. The 5th and 6th districts in St. Louis proper are among the most liberal districts in the country. Now obviously as you get into the burbs things tend to shift to the right, but the city of St. Louis very very liberal.
Boston, New York City, and Chicago also have a very high percentage of catholics yet they are very liberal also. I never really understood why, but most Catholics vote Democrat. (and obviously the only catholic President we had was a Democrat) Back during the civil rights movement a lot of the white organizations that aided the Southern Baptist Coalition were Catholic. And many of the white people who moved down south to help with the protests and the organization were also Catholic. I think in general most Catholics are pretty liberal. This doesn't make much sense, but it seems to be true. I will do some research on it and see what I can find out.
Ag Au
09-08-2006, 09:42 PM
yeah, it get it. st. louis the actual city is liberal. that makes sense. but i do always think of the burbs all mixed in when i think "st. louis." guess that's just my perspective.
also, half my family is catholic and are mostly liberal voting dems, but i don't consider that typical. let me know what you find out about it though, i'm curious.
Soul Queen
09-11-2006, 12:34 PM
True!
I remember when I moved to DC (I was 15) I went around for about a year totally feeling like a rube. 007 & SQ do you feel that way?
I didn't feel like a rube too much until I started working at FIU. (That was almost a year and 1/2 after moving here.) This is only because of how all the women dress. All the ladies have the full make-up and hair done up EVERY DAY.
I'm too much of a country girl to doll myself up for work. Hell, I'm lucky to make it to work on time with my clothes on straight. I just don't care enough. I'm clean and neat. I save the dressing up for something special.
I do know alot about fashion from living here. Its not intentional, but its in the locals of Miami.
I think thats why I loved Key West so much. It was really nice to visit a place in Florida where everyone wasn't so focused on what they look like. Its kind of annoying sometimes.
also, half my family is catholic and are mostly liberal voting dems, but i don't consider that typical. let me know what you find out about it though, i'm curious.
American Catholics:
41% - Democrat
37% - Republican
22% - Independent (mostly members of the Green Party)
Pretty good report:
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005c/093005/093005n.htm
Ag Au
09-11-2006, 05:56 PM
good to know. thanks for this important tidbit. now time for some rethinking of things.......
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