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JVO
09-15-2005, 02:39 PM
I heard a great quote this moring in response to the 9th circuit court ruling that reciting the Pledge in unconstitutional.

"The World will only know freedom when the last King is choked to death using the entrails of the last Priest."

Thomas Jefferson

Leave it to TJ for a snappy quote.
larryhead
09-15-2005, 03:36 PM
Nice quote.. I was thinking about the Pledge of Allegiance recently and how creepy and cult-like it is for classrooms of kids all across the country to be chanting it every morning. The Third Reich had a similar practice.
JVO
09-15-2005, 04:53 PM
Yes! I saw a show about what Europeans think of America and one of the first things they brought up was how strange it was that we had a Pledge. They were also perplexed by the fact that the President swears an oath on the Bible. They thought America was about seperation of church and state, but in fact we are far more in favor of institutionalized religion than any of the european countries.
slam
09-15-2005, 05:27 PM
i'm ok if we leave 'god' on our coins, in our pledge, etc. we just need to be fair, and add vishnu, buddha, yahweh, allah, etc. as well. i mean, since we're not endorsing one religion over the other, right?

and let's not forget my favorite, flying spaghetti monsterism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

i'm pretty sure most of the people who don't see it as promoting one religion over another wouldn't feel the same way if they saw 'In The Flying Spaghetti Monster We Trust' on all their coinage.
larryhead
09-15-2005, 09:19 PM
and let's not forget my favorite, flying spaghetti monsterism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

i'm pretty sure most of the people who don't see it as promoting one religion over another wouldn't feel the same way if they saw 'In The Flying Spaghetti Monster We Trust' on all their coinage.


bwahahah!

:thumbsup:
tehn3rd
10-02-2005, 04:48 AM
That king/priest quote is actually by Denis Diderot.

Best,
ron
JVO
10-03-2005, 02:59 PM
The way I heard it Jefferson quoted it to Diderot when discussing the French Revolution when Jefferson was our special emissary to France. Not sure though maybe it was the other way around.
Simolean2
10-06-2005, 03:08 AM
Yeah for a country that supposedly seperates religion form state we use it way too much.

For example gay marriages.

Religion has nothing to do with State but when it comes for same sex partners to get married by law which are also citizens with the same rights, all the sudden the church has a say in it?