michael vick eats pork

[hotfoot]

so,this vick thing is getting sorta ridiculous. i love dogs more than most people, as i imagine my friends can attest to, but what the fuck is going on? seems like a bit of double standard to me. i mean, we eat bacon every day from pigs who got their shit fucked up. that's some mean shit we do to pigs. but when we do it to dogs, well, time for prison. i don't condone dogfighting--just like i don't condone treating pigs cruelly--but come the fuck on, what michael vick has done is far less worse than what every single wife-beating dickrod of an nfl player has ever done. and there's never a media uproar like that (except maybe for mike tyson). so, while i think michael vick is retarded, i certainly don't see why he's any worse than half the motherfuckers we read about on the pro-sports crime wire.

[JVO]

Didn't you get the memo Hotfoot?... in America Dogs are far more important than people. If they were murdering Beagles and Poodles in Darfur instead of human refugees the United States would have dropped an A bomb on their ass by now. I have always been a dog owner/lover myself, but seriously things have gotten way out of control, particularly with women. Whenever I talk to my female relatives who live out of town, they will blather on about their dogs for a half hour, yet they will talk about their kids for only a few seconds. Call me crazy, but I care much more about their kids than about their dogs. When I was single, I instituted a 3 time dog mention limit to my dating habits. If you are a girl and we are on our first date, and you mention your dog more than 3 times in the first hour and/or show me multiple pictures of your dog, there will not be a second date, and it will forever be impossible for me to take you seriously.

I don't think that dog fighting and hunting, or butchering is the same thing at all, but I suppose from the affected animal’s point of view, there is no difference. I do think that it is a discussion worth having only because it shows the hypocrisy in all of the holier than thou animal lovers.

I also think that this entire situation is a perfect storm. There is a significant percentage of the population who think that football is a brutal horrible sport that reflects everything that is bad about America. Then you take one of the most prominent participants in that sport (who has made over $130,000,000.00) and find out that he has been torturing and killing dogs...those people who already find football barbaric are going to go freaking crazy.

The major thing that is bothering me about the whole fiasco is the number of New York, White, sports journalists who are saying that the media's reaction to Vick's charges have nothing to do with race. PLEASE!!! The thought of white sports journalists being the deciding vote on what is race related and what is not totally pisses me off. If an entire race of people say something is based on race we shouldn't listen to them because a 35 year old white new englander tells us they are wrong?

[False Alarm]

what michael vick has done is far less worse than what every single wife-beating dickrod of an nfl player has ever done.
to someone who'd call you a speciesist, i think this ain't a true statement. note i wouldn't call you that, but there's a good (and growing) number of peeps who would, and i think that accounts for some of the outrage.

as for the rest, of course there are different standards for companion animals and food supply animals. did that realization just dawn on you or something? here's more news: the life of a food supply animal tends to get valued more than the life of, say, a wild rodent. and people act accordingly.

further, animal welfare--including that of pigs--is a big issue in this country right now. there're lots of peeps working hard to get measures in place to ensure more humane treatment of animals (particularly in food animal production) and bring attention to the mistreatment of animals. obviously there's a long way to go, but basically everyone in vet medicine agrees that animal welfare is the touchstone issue for the next generation of food supply veterinarians. given that, you might take the outrage at vick not as hypocrisy from anyone who's ever eaten a piece of bacon from a factory farm, but as a reflection of these changing attitudes toward the treatment of all animals. doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.:huh:

i certainly don't see why he's any worse than half the motherfuckers we read about on the pro-sports crime wire.
from a legal standpoint, the animal cruelty didn't mean shit. was he even charged with any sort of animal cruelty? if so, i think it was a misdemeanor (i heard there are no animal cruelty-related felonies) and he ain't eligible for jail time from it. the serious charges have to do with the interstate gambling ring he bankrolled, and gambling rings can lead to crimes much worse than "half the motherfuckers we read about on the pro-sports crime wire."

[slam]

i had a really weird dream a few weeks ago. i was at vick's house, just hanging out after a game. we weren't, like, friend, but i think i was friends with his brother, who seemed not unlike dave chappelle.

it was a weird dream. laina was there, and i kept trying to make sure she didn't raise the issue of dogs at all. vick's mom lived with him, too.

see, i hate this story because it's infecting my dreams, and i don't even really know who the fuck michael vick is...

[duckplucker]

im so tired of hearing about this!!!!!!!

espn is vicktv now 24-7.

get over it people!!!

our elected officials have alot more blood on thier hands than vick does.
AND ITS HUMAN BLOOD!!!


courtroom scenes are not sports. i dont want to see it on espn.

[JVO]

Didn't you get the memo Hotfoot?... in America Dogs are far more important than people. I have always been a dog owner/lover myself, but seriously things have gotten way out of control, particularly with women.

Case in point: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070829/helmsley_s_pooch.html?.v=1

[paul]

from the article...

Helmsley left her beloved white Maltese, named Trouble, a $12 million trust fund, according to her will

Hah! I wonder who Trouble is going to leave the remainder of that money to when she dies? Dogs, even little ones like that, have a pretty short lifespan. Too bad Leona Helmsley didn't live in Chicago, or I'd say let's put our pocket change together, buy a pack of steaks, and go make a new friend.

....

Anyway, back to the serious discussion about race, animal mutilation, bacon, pro sports, etc... I was going to try to think of something intelligent to say, but it's really hard to puzzle it all out. I like bacon, but I hate Michael Vick, but I don't want to be a racist asshole, but fuck football because it's stupid. Argh! I can't figure it out!

[JVO]

Did anybody see the town meeting on ESPN last night about the Vick fiasco? I just watched the last 15 minutes of it, and it was incredible. The crowd was about 75% african american and they were completely supporting of Vick to the point that the President of the Humane Society virtually got booed off the stage. Every time a white reporter would speak against Vick the boos, curses, and threats from the crowd would totally over power what the person was saying. For weeks ESPN has been saying that their coverage of Vick has had nothing to do with race. Well the crowd in Atlanta obviously disagreed. Anyway it was very interesting how hated the police, the humane society and white journalists are among the black community (at least in Atlanta).

If you want to know about the race relations in the United States watch this show...it will change the way you think about a lot of things (at least it did for me).

[JVO]

The major thing that is bothering me about the whole fiasco is the number of New York, White, sports journalists who are saying that the media's reaction to Vick's charges have nothing to do with race. PLEASE!!! The thought of white sports journalists being the deciding vote on what is race related and what is not totally pisses me off. If an entire race of people say something is based on race we shouldn't listen to them because a 35 year old white new englander tells us they are wrong?

After my post, I went back and reread this thread. My above quote was completely echoed by all of the African Americans in the crowd.

[cuscus]

http://www.channel3000.com/sports/14210536/detail.html
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[mrjohnchimpo]

vick gets TWO YEARS.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d804ed94f&template=without-video&confirm=true

murderers of actual PEOPLE sometimes get less.

[slam]

murderers of actual PEOPLE sometimes get less.

i'm not certain that's accurate...

[mrjohnchimpo]

i'm not certain that's accurate...

just being slightly sensationalist.

however, i think being thrown in jail for 2 years for killing an animal is kinda dumb. i certainly hope that's not what it's all for. according to the article it's for running the entire ring, which could entail a couple of dozen different crimes, none of which i think they list.

[False Alarm]

there ain't even no felonies for the worst varieties of animal cruelty i don't think. it's all for running the gambling rings and shit and doing it across state lines.

[mrjohnchimpo]

my point sort is that they are focusing on the little doggies, which he wasn't even charged for, instead of reporting the real story of why he got the time.

[False Alarm]

my point sort is that they are focusing on the little doggies, which he wasn't even charged for, instead of reporting the real story of why he got the time.
oh. you said being thrown in jail for killing an animal is dumb. i doubt the judge used the same criteria as the media.

that said, he didn't "kill an animal." he ran an operation that centered on the torture and slaughter of hundreds, maybe thousands, of companion animals for sport.

also apparently he will face separate state charges related to dogfighting, and they are felony charges.

i find your stance, which seems to be the standard one here at B2P, curious. i understand the outrage isn't in proportion with the crimes (i actually didn't realize how upset peeps were about it till this thread popped up; hadn't paid much attention to it in the media). it don't mean the dude did nothing wrong. what do you want him to just pay a fine or some shit?

[slam]

it don't mean the dude did nothing wrong. what do you want him to just pay a fine or some shit?

i say we start a prison league.

[False Alarm]

i say we start a prison league.
:lol: