The Problems with Time Travel

[matty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

Duhr.:dizzy:

[slam]

then there's the special case of the fry paradox, where, if you go back in time and sleep with your own grandmother, becoming your own grandfather, you will lack the beta brainwaves that big giant brains feast upon.

[mrjohnchimpo]

yeah I always view movies or books that have time travel in them with a really critical eye. I just don't think it would work very well and I can't suspend that when I'm watching/reading about it.

except Back To The Future. perfect representation of time travel. no holes there.

[matty]

You used to think exactly the opposite, Chimpo, but I went back in time and changed your mind at a critical moment. I did something else, too, but I'm not going to tell you what. Good luck on your 47th birthday!!!

[False Alarm]

chimpo (or anyone else) did you see that movie primer? did that time travel flick withstand the gaze of the MrJohnChimpo Critical Eye?

[mrjohnchimpo]

chimpo (or anyone else) did you see that movie primer? did that time travel flick withstand the gaze of the MrJohnChimpo Critical Eye?


i saw it. one of the most confusing movies i've ever seen in my life. that's one of the ones that has the "branching paths when something changes in the past theory" creating multiple parallel universes.

i would recommend it though if you like headaches.

[mrjohnchimpo]

for those that have seen the movie, a really complicated explanation of all the timelines is here:

http://primermovie.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=260

[False Alarm]

yo i've seen it and liked it. was just wondering how it stood up to the Eye.

[mrjohnchimpo]

yo i've seen it and liked it. was just wondering how it stood up to the Eye.


it stood up just because if i had to choose a timeline theory to call my own, it would be the parallel universe one used in this one...although i'd have to change it to the "river theory" (ie time is just a huge river and going back into the past is like throwing rocks of different sizes into it, causing it to branch, but it eventually all flows together again).

and stop calling it The Eye!!! :rant:

[JVO]

I thought "Butterfly Effect" was an excellent time travel movie also.

[slam]

my vote for best film dealing with time travel would have to be 'twelve monkeys'.

[mrjohnchimpo]

what about movies that posit that if an alternate timeline begins because of someone messing with the original timeline, and if the people in the new timeline go back to the branch to fix it, then the whole alternate timeline, and everyone in it, will cease to exist? that's a cool premise too. Deja Vu was kinda like that (not giving anything away).

[False Alarm]

what about movies that posit that if an alternate timeline begins because of someone messing with the original timeline, and if the people in the new timeline go back to the branch to fix it, then the whole alternate timeline, and everyone in it, will cease to exist? that's a cool premise too. Deja Vu was kinda like that (not giving anything away).
i don't follow. i'd appreciate if you could gimme a hypothetical, preferably using B2P members.

[mrjohnchimpo]

this is as good as i could do. and like i said i don't agree with this theory completely. next time i'm over we can bust out the wipeboard. stupid time travel.





one) Original Timeline
(False Alarm has a wild mane of Mexican hair and an impudent gleam in his eye)

-----Original Timeline-------------------------------------------------------------->>>>




two) Original Timeline Gets Split
(MrJ goes back into time when FA’s hair first starts to grow and pours acid over his head, sealing off all hair follicles).

------Original Timeline------------------------------------------------------------>>>>
/ MrJ travels back for acid hair experiment
/ causing a split and 2 timelines running parallel
/ to each other.
/
--------------Secondary Timeline-------------------------->>>>


AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TWO FALSE_ALARMS EXIST, ONE WITH A FULL WILD HEAD OF HAIR (False Alarm sub 0) AND ANOTHER WITH A SKIN CAP (False Alarm sub 1)

three) However, False Alarm sub 1 wants to go back into time to the point that MrJ traveled back and stop him from making him a disfigured freak.


Now, there are 2 possible situations:

1)False Alarm sub 1 won’t be able to go back to the time when MrJ traveled back in time, because he didn’t even exist until the point directly AFTER MrJ already poured acid on his head when the secondary timeline was created. Therefore both timelines continue to move forward separately from each other.
2)If FA1 IS in fact able to go back and stop MrJ, then the secondary timeline will have never been created, meaning that FA1 will never exist, meaning that he will probably implode or just disappear.


------Original Timeline----------------------------------------------------->>>>
SECONDARY TIMELINE GONE, FA1 NEVER EXISTED.


of course this doesn't take into account any other timelines that may be created by FA1s action and MrJ's new reactions.

[mrjohnchimpo]

also it's possible that timeline 0 ends when timeline 1 begins, essentially becoming one timeline that can be changed whenever you want.

[False Alarm]

why isn't it possible that FA1 is able to go back and stop mrJ and does so, resulting in two wild-maned FAs running around in two separate timelines rather than implosion?

[mrjohnchimpo]

because FA1 stopped the action that caused his existence. it's a nullification.

[False Alarm]

i see.

but there has to be a way to save my hair.

[False Alarm]

but i been thinkin dude--isn't it just as plausible that my hair's suddenly restored and everything's cool? or does that just make me fall back under the primer theory where two of me are running around in the same timeline?

i mean, FA1 didn't really prevent the action that caused his existence, did he? he just prevented the action that caused the existence of his disfigurement.

[mrjohnchimpo]

well, it depends on if you subscribe to the split timeline thing.

if so, FA0 is just living a normal timeline with hair. he don't even know about the other timeline. and FA1's disfigurement is what caused the split, so it's the same thing that caused his existence. in this example.

on the other hand, it's possibly the original grandfather paradox that matty posted...if you lost your hair, then went back in time to rescue it, then your future self would have hair, and therefore wouldn't need to go back into time to save anything...but if you he didn't go back into time, then it's lost. ACH! I THINK I JUST BURST A BRAIN CELL. STUPID TIME TRAVEL!

[False Alarm]

fuck it i'm shaving my head.

[matty]

i see.

but there has to be a way to save my hair.

:lmao:

What the hell was I doing all day that I missed this hilarious conversation???

[bubz_bluez]

butterfly effect was great i recomend it to the unaware of how flashbacks can really fuck with your head

ive had my own experice with flashbacks it comes into contact with my bi polar cycle... i have thought some freaky shit sometimes and trust me its a damn curse

bubs