TO

[JVO]

Random crazy prediction:

by the end of the year, Terrel Owens will be a Denver Bronco!!!!

I am not sure how I feel about that, but I do think if Philly releases him, that the Broncos would be one of the few teams who might pick him up. I hate TO, but even with all the bs, I would want him to be on my team. Not a single thing he has ever said, has affected the way he plays on the field.

[slam]

yeah, but i can't imagine that it has much of a positive effect on the rest of the team.

[JVO]

I have been thinking about this for awhile and part of me thinks; Screw the rest of the team. Sports fans will remember that Michael Jordan was famous for yelling and screaming at his teammates during games and slamming them to the media. When MJ did it, it was because he was competitive and a team leader, when TO does it, its because he is spoiled. I don't understand the difference. It would be one thing if TO was slacking off during games, but he played in the SuperBowl with a Broken Leg, and is one of the 2 or 3 best WR's in the NFL!!!! And here is another thing, if Brett Favre was the QB for Philly they might very well be undefeated (which is all that TO said, and he only said it after he was asked the question by some ESPN asshole who was quoting another ESPN asshole). Now obviously, anybody with any class, would not have answered that question, but TO merely said what he believed to be true. I am so tired of living in a society (and it is especially true in sports because ESPN has seriously become an evil empire) where people are condemned for answering questions truthfully. The media gets pissy when people refuse to answer questions, and they condemn them when they do. If I were an athlete, I would be the most hated player in the league because all I would do is lie to the media. Every question they asked me, I would answer the exact opposite of what I actually thought.

Andy Reid and the Eagles players need to just ignore everything TO says, and when game time comes throw him damn ball. Aren't they supposed to be professionals (even if TO isn't?)? I also predict that if the Eagles suspend TO without pay, that the players union will dispute it and ultimately TO will win. Certainly TO is not a good team player, but the only reason why he is a distraction to the Eagles is because the Eagles are letting him, and ESPN is reporting it 24/7. If I were an NFL GM, I would never let TO be on my team, but the Eagles did and now they must live with that chioce. They should not suspend him because he hurt another players feelings. If another team did pick up TO, they would immediately be a better team on the field and have a better chance at winning. Isn't that all that matters?

[withoutcanseco]

i agree with all that. but i don't think it was this one incident that sparked the suspension. it was a whole lot of shit that he has been talking his whole career and this was kinda the last straw.

i personally hate TO. i don't care how good he is. it's the Randy Moss Syndrome. just because they are good ballplayers doesn't mean they have to right to shit on everyone. they should maintain a certain level of professionalism.

i'm no expert though. just stating my thoughts on the matter.

[JVO]

I agree with you WC, I think that the Eagles were just looking for a reason to dump him, I guess my problem is that I don't think this was a good enough reason. Also, I bet the Eagles are going to make it as difficult as possible for Owens to go to another team, because they know, if the Cowboys, Redskins, or Giants pick him up, the Eagles can kiss their NFC East dominance good bye.

[slam]

i don't think the MJ reference is that valid. basketball is the kind of sport where if you truly, truly excel, you can pretty much be a one man team. sure, teamwork helps, but you can be a solo act pretty easily.

football is way, way different. you got, what, 10 other guys out there with you? i don't care how good TO is, he'd be mincemeat if some of his pals weren't out there blocking some tackles. if the rest of the team is sitting there, quietly doing there jobs, only to keep looking over at mr. asshat taking all the glory, i'd say it's got to be bad for the team.

[JVO]

I disagree with you that one man can dominate in basketball. MJ would never have won a championship if it weren't for Scottie Pippin et al. Kobe didn't win without Shaq. There are a number of star players in the NBA who never won a championship because they did not have any help what so ever. The reason why Bill Russel's Celtics won 11 championships and Wilt's Lakers won 0 is because the Celtics were a great team and the Lakers had one great player.

And really being a WR in the NFL is more of an individualised thing then playing bb. The only person a WR needs is a QB to pass him the ball. He doesn't need anyone else. And really what glory is TO taking? The only time he makes a jackass out of himself is after he scores a TD. And really as long as you are scoring TD's nobody on the team will care about how you celebrate (as long as it doesn't cause a penalty) In the game against the Broncos he single handly scored a 91 yard touchdown with no help from anybody. If scoring leads to showboating, the more showboating the better!!!!!

Although, for the record I must say, I absolutely hate TO and all the lame receivers who act like fools anytime they score.

[withoutcanseco]

check it out. he's being completely disactivated now.

i hope the fucker never plays football ever again.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9029643

[False Alarm]

hugh douglas was visiting the eagles locker room, he and owens had words, and then owens kicked the shit outta him. this is according to jon clayton and was on TV; i don't have a link. i do have a link substantiating the incident, though it was played down:

Terrell Owens Is a Huge Turd (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/06/bc.fbn.eagles.owensfigh.ap/)

anyhow, this is somewhat akin to, say, richard dent dropping by to visit the bears locker room and muhsin muhammad knocking his dick in the dirt. i'd expect most bears fans to want moose off the team if he picked a fight with such a respected bears alumnus. if tim bowens stopped by the dolphins facility and ANYONE on the team tried to mug him in the locker room, i'd want em gone. even though tim bowens could smash anyone on the planet. god i love the dolphins. sigh.

[The Assassin]

I doubt TO changes teams during the year because I don't see them releasing him, especially to a team doing well (because Fuck TO!). They'll wait till next year and trade him so they can at least something out of this mess.

[withoutcanseco]

i'll be surprised if anyone takes him.

[JVO]

There will be a long line of teams climbing over themselves to get TO. He won't get much money (unless it is based on incentives) so the teams will have nothing to lose.

[duckplucker]

who needs clowns like t. o. , moss or, chad johnson. who btw have zero super bowl rings.

there are plenty of class acts like: torry holt, rod smith, marvin harrison. notice the first two guys i named have rings and harrison looks quite likely to get one.

being ateam player is the only way to be.

i hope the donks do pick up t. o. because it will cause them to lose games.

if philly didnt have t.o. they would have run the football more. and they would be superbowl champs. running the football and stopping the run are the way nfl games are won. endzone celebrations are ridiculous. real pros hand the ball to the official and act like they have been in the end zone before. and they expect to get back in theendzone again.

[JVO]

A person I hate more than TO is Drew Rosenhaus. What an obnoxious putz!

[JVO]

DP: Name one game that TO caused any of his teams to lose!!!!!

Now look back at all of the games he caused his team to win.

Also are you saying the reason the Eagles lost the SuperBowl last year is because of TO and his 11 catches on a broken leg? If TO is the reason why they did not run the ball more what happened the previous three years. I guarentee you TO did not call a single play during that SuperBowl. It sounds like you are blaming TO for being such a great WR that Coaches have no choice but to throw to him. I just don't follow that logic.

Remember the whole addition by subtraction bs the Vikings gave us with dropping Randy Moss? How has that worked out so far?

The reason why the Eagles have not won the SuperBowl can be attributed much more to McNabb and Reid than TO (who are the only people TO has criticized).

Also what about Deion Sanders and Bill Romonowski? They are as obnoxious as anybody in the history of the game and they have 6 SuperBowls between the two of them.

Obviously TO is not half the man as the WR's you mentioned (thanks for including Hot-Rod btw) but all he does is catch the football. He is not Randy Moss who takes plays off, he plays every play as if it was the SuperBowl. What I don't understand is why does anybody care about what he says? Obviously he's an idiot, but that could be true for a number of athletes.He just needs to play on a team that has a secure head coach and QB who will ignore everything he says off the field. Also, i think it is absolute horse shit that the Eagles won't just release him at the end of his suspension, but the reason they won't is that TO WINS GAMES!!! Nothing illustrates that more than the Eagles refusal to let him go. And also, let's put things into perspective, TO has never been convicted of a crime, and has never done anything to physically attack anybody on his team (unlike Romo). With the exception of his horrific holdout (which I blame Drew Rosenhaus for) and injury, he has never missed a practice or a game and he always leaves 100% on the field. And most importantly, he is one of the best play makers in the game!

[hotfoot]

agreed. t.o.'s not losing anyone any games.

i still think his *pen in the sock* celebration was hilarious.

[duckplucker]

jvo: i really hope the donks get t.o. once the media circus starts things will be all different.

i thought espn reported that t.o. did get in a fist fight in the eagles locker room. i thought that was the reason for the suspension. he's a cancer.

first he'll complain about his contract. then he'll criticize his coach for not throwing him the ball on every play. then he'll get in a conflict with a team mate. all these things happened in s.f. also it just wasn't such big news cuz t.o. was just making a name for himself.

and yes i think if the eagles had run the ball more they would have won the super bowl.

[False Alarm]

first, i think it's wrong to group moss and johnson with owens. moss has never divided teammates. i've never heard anything but praise for him from his teammates, and i've never heard a negative public word from him about his teammates. combine those facts with the hard truth that he's the best receiver on the planet, and he's A-OK in my book. peeps just don't like him cuz, like, he scowls a lot or something. oh and he smokes ganj. i'd kill to have him on the dolphins.

johnson--mofucka's a stud. so he talks a bit--so what?

but for those defending owens, i'd argue that turning your QB against you--and this isn't exaggeration; mcnabb went into the locker room with the team gathered and told them that they were either with him or against him--is gonna have a pretty direct and probably negative effect on games. i find it almost impossible to believe that your offense is gonna run optimally under those circumstances. i wouldn't expect a major effect, or even a measurable one, but i'd bet there're little things. further, i dunno if my earlier post was invisible or something, BUT THE MOTHERFUCKER BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HUGH FUCKING DOUGLASS IN THE LOCKER ROOM. he took the motherfucker's lunch money! an organization should draw the line at fucking off-field violence. disagreeing with that just cuz it's sexy to go against the conventional wisdom is silly.

all that said, i agree that teams will and should climb all over each other to get him. the eagles have been shitty about the contract, considering he risked his career to try and bring them a super bowl. also, he is the premier TD celebrator in the game today. here's a pretty good column on the issue (the contract, not celebrations), regardless of your stance. i pulled it from the florida sun-sentinel.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-mikec10nov10,0,4411995.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

CUNNINGHAM: Owens is not totally off base


Fans forget Eagles' owner helped start this T.O. turmoil

Michael Cunningham
commentary

None of us roots for the boss. We curse the faceless corporations that squeeze profits from everywhere but the top.

But something changes when the boss is a corporation himself, a gazillionaire owner of a pro sports team, and the employee is a player who wants more money. Then suddenly a lot of us are fine with the employer getting over on the worker.

Just look at Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens. Owens has talked his way out of Philadel-phia, but look past the noise and see that while Owens' approach is all wrong, his original principle is right.

Not the stuff like calling out a teammate, reportedly fighting with a team staffer and ripping into the organization for failing to make a big deal about his 100th touchdown. I'm talking about what really started all of this, Owens' unmet demands for a new contract.

Owens accepted a below-market deal to facilitate a trade last season, proved he's one of the top playmakers and then asked for a salary that reflects that. The Eagles balked, so Owens ended up making trouble, just as he promised.

You won't find many players who agree with that part. As two Dolphins noted Wednesday, all players want more money, but none endears himself to teammates by poisoning the atmosphere while trying to get it.

You will find plenty of players, though, who privately say they see where Owens is coming from. They know more than anyone that teams routinely cut players they think aren't worth their "contracts," which aren't fully guaranteed, so why shouldn't it work the other way, too?

Notice how media reports about Owens always are sure to mention that he asked for a new contract just one year after signing a seven-year, $49 million contract? Don't believe it.

Because if Owens had ruined his surgically repaired ankle when he played hurt in the Super Bowl last winter, that contract would quickly become a one-year deal and the other roughly $39 million would disappear.

With Owens apparently gone from Philadelphia, that so-called long-term contract now is a two-year deal, with about $36 million unpaid.

Owens could have done everything right and at any time the Eagles could have sent him away, the "contract" unpaid. Why is it that a lot of people would rather see NFL owners pay undervalued contracts and pocket the difference than see players with little security get their true worth?

No doubt the money clouds the discussion. Fans see multimillion-dollar contracts, look at their own modest paychecks, and fume that anyone making that kind of money would complain.

That view is long on emotion, short on perspective. Economists say pro sports can't be viewed the same as other industries since players are a small group of people with specialized skills generating large amounts of revenue, and the NFL is the biggest moneymaker of all the leagues.

But when owner Jeffrey Lurie said in the summer that he expected Owens to honor his contract, no one seemed to notice the staggering hypocrisy involved. How can an NFL owner who routinely fails to "honor" contracts have the audacity to say such a thing?

So Owens had little public support when he asked for a new deal, and then he and agent Drew Rosenhaus mishandled the whole affair. Philadelphia loved Owens after the Super Bowl, and he might have been able to use public pressure to pry more money from the Eagles.

Instead Owens popped off about quarterback Donovan McNabb, made his contract demands a public issue early in the offseason, argued with coach Andy Reid and then self-destructed pretty much every time he spoke publicly.

All of that makes Owens wrong. On his original point, about deserving more money in a system stacked against players, look through the noise and see Owens is right.

[JVO]

DP: I completely agree that the Eagles need to run the ball more. But to blame TO for the Eagles not running the ball, is like blaming Issac Bruce for the fact that Martz never ran the ball. The reason why the Eagles don't run the ball is because of Andy Reid and the offense coaching staff, it has nothing to do with TO (unless he is a coach also?).

FA: All good points, and I love that article you included. I would argue that Randy Moss is just as bad as TO. Everyone of the Vikings hated him, he completely went out of his way to ridicule Culpepper in the middle of games, he took plays off, he never blocked db's, he left the field before the end of a game. I think these actions are all worse than what TO has done.

I heard that in an average NFL locker room there are at least 6 fights a year. Now we never hear about a majority of these because the teams keep them quiet. If physical violence leads to suspension, then every team would have to suspend 10-12 guys a year. Bill Romanowski poked a dude's eye out and suffered no suspension. Now I am not saying that this is excusable, but it would be nice if there was some consistancy.

Next year some team will get TO on a one year incentive based contract and ride him all the way to the playoffs. I predict he will be an MVP candidate in 2006, just like he was in 2004. Put him on a team with a good coach and confident professional QB and watch them explode.

[JVO]

Ralph Nader just wrote an open letter to the NFL and the Eagles regarding TO. He says everything I believe 100%. I love Ralph Nader!!!!! He is the only politican I have ever seen that I actually agree with.

http://www.nader.org/template.php?PHPSESSID=13723737bba9469fbc6f99f4cc4 3f223&serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=Owens

[CaDi_LaCkLaNd]

I got DP's back on this one. Although I am too lazy to read all of the really long messages I think that everyone else is saying T.O. helps the team he plays for. HAH!
If you were to play ball with someone you absolutely despise(T.O. definately is by his teammates) then you won't play as hard when he gets the call. In the locker room it is demoralizing to have pricks who talk alot of shit in the locker next to you. How can you play for someone who is an open dick to a top 5 NFL quarter back(McNabb) who is giving you headlines. :boxing: Then you fight a respected alum?
T.O. should be sent to another team and learn to shut up. I hope he gets a team with a Dilfer, Bollinger, or Wright as a quarterback. Let's see if he gets the numbers McNabb is GIVING him.

Fade away T.O. :deadhors:

[007]

I enjoyed this quote from the paper :

"When the guy is wide open, you kind of give
him a nod & throw to somebody else."

-Joe Montana on how he might have
handled TO as a teammate.

[JVO]

Alright I am going to post one more thing before I shut the hell up. (sorry as i am sure y'all are now aware, I like to babble.) My main point in this entire affair is that the Eagles, and any other team for that matter, is a better team with TO on it. TO is an extraordinary talent who always gives 100% on the football field. Certainly he is a complete jackass, but nobody can deny his talent or his heart on the field. I do think it is commendable that the Eagles suspended him for four games, but I do not think it is at all fair that they will not give him an outright release. To tell a player that he is no longer part of the team and then to deny him the right to find alternate employment is crazy. If TO is such a bad guy, and is such a "cancer" to the team, why won't the Eagles release him (also why has nobody come to McNabb's defense? the only reaction I have seen from Eagles players is sorrow regarding the loss of TO)? If another team picked up this "cancer" and it hurt their team, wouldn't it be beneficial to the Eagles to release him and hope somebody picked him up and thus improve their position? The only two reasons I can come up with is that the Eagles know that if TO goes to the Cowboys or NY Giants, it will represent a giant swing in power in the NFC East, AND the Eagles want to punish TO. I don't understand why so few people are coming to the defense of someone who has not only been fired, but has also been taken out of the market during one of his very few peak years of potential ability. I heard a labor lawyer on CNN (Yes it is a sad commentary that CNN is dedicating time to this) say that this suspension/benching is the clearest case of labor exploitation that he has ever seen. A majority of the people on this website are certainly left leaning yet it seems that the vast majority of you are taking the side of big business and screwing labor because you don't like TO. Well guess what, I don't like TO either, but he is certainly entitled to the same labor rights as everyone else in the NFL. The virulent disgust and hatred that the general population have for TO remind me of what it must have been like when Muhammad Ali was sent to jail. Every Conservative white man in the country rightously celebrated the fact that this uppity black showoff was finally being brought down to size. Why is there such glee associated with a rich white man screwing an uppity black jackass? I know if any one of us acted the way TO has, we would be fired on the first day. But at least our employers would not forbid us from looking for alternate employment. And the reason why TO can get away with his actions, and we can not, is because there are only a handful of people in the entire world that can do what he does, whereas if your job is anything like mine, there are literally tens of thousands that can do ours (if not more!). I am sorry that is unfair, but that is the way of the world. I am confident the NFL arbitrator will see the incredible injustice associated with the Eagles decision.

[bubz_bluez]

he would fit right in at denver !!!

bubz

[mrjohnchimpo]

more TO fun.

from my FF newswire:
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Owens was fined $35,000 by the NFL on Monday for spitting in the face of Atlanta's D'Angelo Hall during Saturday night's Cowboys-Falcons game, the Associated Press reports.
Spin: That's probably not a whole lot more than T.O. spent on hors d'oeuvres at his recent birthday bash. Moving on, we await the wideout's next controversy.

[bubz_bluez]

hes a big man! wow he spit on someone....."coward" thats what he is

instead of "T-ing" off on someone he decided to spit on them!

he did it just cause he didnt know what to do with all his stinking millions!

what will he do next!!


so if he does all those things lets figure up the points--270 points!!! hes competing with rip torn and nick nolte for bigest ass in the media--not to be mistake for THE KING OF ALL MEDIA!! --howard stern

1. arrested for raciest remarks 40 points!
2. arrested for exposing himself in public 80 points!
3. arrested for insulting or asalting a cop 100 points!
4. arrested for being stone drunk in public 30 points!
5. arrested for being a douche bag,cry baby,bitchass,giant cock who centers his life on being the biggest ass of them all. <--20 points!!

he should just go into the adult film indestry right now and ruin his career for good!!!!

bubz

[duckplucker]

T.O. is a cancer.

he makes every team he is on worse.

i wouldn't want him on the chiefs or the rams.

he is the worst player in the nfl. what i mean by that is: as soon as you sign T.O. your credibility is lost. your team becomes a laughingstock. the media circus only cares about T.O.
he starts fights with his teammates, he argues with coaches, gets dumb flags for no appearent reason.

and let me just add the most important part.
number of T.O. super bowl rings: 0 thats zero. you know ....none.

zilch. cero. nada.

do you get it yet?