I couldn't resist

[zero2056]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_south_carolina_man_busted_for_having_sex_with_h orse.html


I love the line about registering him with the Humane Society, and the fact that the owner bought cameras and taped him. Wonder how much he/she will make with that on the internet.

My question is there really a crime here other than trespassing? Other than being terribly unhinged, at least he isn't attacking 21 year old girls/boys (rather than 21 year old mares) or molesting children. Animals do not equal people.

[matty]

but an animal IS still a living being, who did not consent to this. I definitely think it's a crime.

I love the look on his face; this poor dude just looks miserable.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/30/amd_rodell_vereen.jpg

"Please lock me up! I just...I can't stop fucking horses."

[paul]

My question is there really a crime here other than trespassing?

I believe that in most US jurisdictions there are specific laws on the books against this sort of behavior. The "animals do not equal people" argument isn't really relevant here, because the law specifically addresses animals.

Agreed, with Matty, put that guy away!

[Ag Au]

zero even if you can't have sympathy for the abuse of other than human sentient beings, maybe you can agree on the capitalist view of animals being property and that guy abused someone else's property.
(i think it is really sad that you are okay with animal abuse.)

[zero2056]

I believe it is a crime (whether you call it trespassing or defacing private property, but not a major offense to require prison time. He more or less defaced (or deassed) private property. Some pyschiatric treatment maybe more fitting than jail time.

Was he actually abusing the animal? Man peen does not equal horse peen.

Actually riding a horse is probably more physically abusive to a horse than (bridle, spurs, saddle, unnatural weight on its back) than what this guy did. Riding a horse is just acceptable in our society, were using a horse for sexual pleasure is not (transportation).

Not that this is something widespread, but another silly crime that is over populating prisons.

I feel as if I'm defending the poor crazy fucker now. All I meant to do was ask if the punishment fits the crime. I vote no.

[matty]

well, on the list of silly crimes overpopulating prison, I'm okay with horse-rape being in there.

good points about the spurs and saddle, and differing penis sizes betwixt species. hadn't considered it that way. however, once you stick your dick in something it crosses a line. (to me, at least.)

which is too bad, because horses are sexy.

[JVO]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets more prison time for raping a horse than he would if he raped a woman. Probably be easier to get a conviction also. America...we love our beasts (people not so much).

I thought about the whole riding a horse is worse than having sex with it arguement too. I wonder if it would be legal if he owned the horse? I seriously doubt it. I suspect there would be some greater health issues to consider. All we need is some crazy Horse AIDS to be introduced.

[slam]

(i think it is really sad that you are okay with animal abuse.)

i don't think anyone's 'okay with animal abuse'. zero brings up some good points. i mean, we do far, far worse things to the animals that we eat, don't we? what's a little sex compared to a lifetime of squalid living conditions, only to meet your end at the business end of a nail gun? hell, we even find it acceptable to shoot a thoroughbred simple because they're unable to continue racing.

to assume this is abuse presumes too much about the horse psyche, i believe. i don't think horses have the capacity to feel sexually violated.

i don't think the man deserves jail time. therapy, perhaps. but will jail really rehabilitate this man?

[False Alarm]

i think people in this thread are overestimating the strength of animal cruelty laws. it varies by state, but it's generally pretty tough to get prison time at all for animal cruelty. you've gotta do some sadistic shit, or maybe do it over and over. vick oversaw an operation that abused and cruelly killed scores of dogs and got no prison time for any of the animal charges. those were just misdemeanors. (his prison time came from federal RICO charges for financing an interstate gambling operation. that the operation had to do with dogs was beside the point, legally speaking.)

[matty]

random not-very-serious monologue:

okay, say I have a THING. I keep my THING on my property, but it's too big to fit into my house. you come along and stick your dick in my THING. I greatly disapprove, call authorities to deal with you, and you leave.

A week later, I go to look at my THING and there you are with your dick in it again! it's time to call the cops, and this time I want to make sure you understand just how much I want my THING to not have your baby gravy all over it. I think that's reasonable. He can't keep violating MY property without repercussion. therapy is definitely necessary, but while we're waiting on therapy, I've got to keep his dick off my stuff somehow. jail works for me.

but I guess you guys are okay with me sticking my dick in your stuff, and hey, I'm already IN therapy! see you at your next bbq!

and that's the best I can do, b/c I don't know how I feel about describing animals as "property." it's a living thing with just as many rights as I have to exist. (Until it enters my cave, in an unwanted way. Or tries to eat me.) I mean, what makes humans so special? we can think? CAN WE?? have you watched "Miami Social" on Bravo?

I think humans have a hard time imagining a state of being beyond our own. somebody just the other day saw some mole hills and said, "Man, I bet it sucks to be a mole, all blind and living in the dirt." and I thought, how do you know what a mole likes? it doesn't know it's blind, it's sense of smell far outweighs our sense of sight by comparison, and it's perfectly suited to living in dirt. I bet those moles were perfectly happy. They even had a giant garden to ruin. I wish there was some term for state-of-being bias. statism? existencism?

And while we do way worse things to animals than sex, it doesn't mean that any of it is okay, including sex. That's like saying, "Well, yeah, I beat that woman, but at least I didn't torture her, which that guy over there totally did."

and just b/c the horse doesn't understand "consent," it probably does understand "uncomfortable." so, for a comparison, take your finger and stick it all the way into your asshole. I doubt you'll want to, and if you do, I doubt you'll like it. I've only met a (talented) few people who do. and I got his phone number.

I think a fitting punishment would be for him to be raped by a creature of comparable size to his crime. Like a dog. let a dog rape him and see how he likes that. and get a humpy dog so that consent isn't an issue. At least on the dog's part.

Then let the horse rape the dog. no, wait...what was I saying again?